things - an air campaign, that no one expects will win this, but will degrade i.s.i.l., and train folks on the ground - you made the point about who we are training. we have to be careful. i understand this could go south, but i think of the bad options. this is less bad than many others, and hopefully beyond the military piece, which is not the best tool we have, come up with a narrative, a world narrative, a civilized world narrative against a bunch of butchers who are not muslim. i argue that they are people that kill more muslims than non-muslims, and i don't see how anywhere in the koran, or any responsible version of islam, that that is permissible. >> what role does bashar al-assad have in whatever end up happening in syria, does he get o be at the table when we try to figure this out?